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This just proves how delussional, you envious people are

...And you really think this is working as intended?

GǪ"PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again?

...Is this really something you approve of?

...You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?

...f you need a lot of ISK to PVP, you are following along an incorrect concept that PVP is like a hole in space in which you throw enormous amounts of ISK.

Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age.

Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch.

I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones.

Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter.

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GǪthen why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space?
I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec.

GǪDid you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now?

One of the funny paradigms of this topic is that while many claim this is motivated by people trying to foist their game play style or goals on others, a lot of the politics and non-agression of the motherships is the result of people foisting their goals and play style on others.

Mothership's still a legitimate PVE target, no matter who says what and no matter how anybody feels about it.

No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites).

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Just so people know, someone complaning about incurbears making to much isk for no risk, and then killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy, It's doing something to try and stop it (and to produce EPIC amounts of tears as a side effect) or to put it another way, killing the MOM can simply be thought of as a mean to an end.

Now if they then proceeded to farm vanguard sites with the same ruthless efficiency that the bears do, then, and only then, would they be hypocrites.

Edit: I realise that I have probably ignored my own sig by posting this... Damn

the mothership is shootable

they kill it

i don't see how that's griefing ;p

Killing NPC's is now considered griefing.
And back to you Andski!

so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions?

Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.

your subscription entitles you to do **** all in this game, fyi

but i guess that's just the WoW mentality

Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.

your subscription allows you to play the game by the terms in the EULA and ToS

that's it

okay petition the dudes who keep headshotting the motherships as griefers, the GMs need a good laugh once in a while

the irony of a risk-averse hisec incursion runner calling anyone a "bear" does not escape me

fyi all the tears seem to be coming from the incursion bears ;p

I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country.
Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up.

No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.

I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more.
The incrusions speeded up the trend
I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp
the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0
for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example)
so we keep the money inflow
A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop

What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.

...and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.

Concord pays to you defeat Sansha's raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?

OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....

Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.

GǪIf kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem.

I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well...

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You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favor of our actions?

Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi. Almost no risk is soloing a level 4 with a local tank. Vanguard sites require 2-3 logi pilots. No logi means you have a 100% chance of losing your ships. There is plenty of risk there, and this is not to mention that most people will be meeting their logi pilots for the first time in a pickup fleet. Another risk.

I have seen grand displays of cognitive dissonance displayed by those who have nothing but hate in their heart for incursions and incursion runners.

Those who are currently griefing, etc... do not have the mental fortitude or dexterity to keep their efforts up. Generally if you hold up something else that is shiny, it will get their attention. This happened previously with lvl 4 missions, wh's, and ice....

if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now

Well I'll stand up for it

I just spent an hour and 50 minutes in fleet cackling madly as we ended all three highsec incursions and harvested an endless ocean of tears from incursion channels. I did this for no other reason than that it's ******* hilarious.

In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices...

...If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks...

...The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly...

...incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario...

Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.